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Comment on Keep God in the Pledge by: Munruh

Wed, 28 Sep 2005 22:32:06 +0000

Dan, It appears that during you fomative years, you were indeed paying attention during history class. You friend Keith however, was busy reading a bunch of liberal BS telling him what to think about our history. Our country was indeed founded "UNDER GOD". No matter how much the left wants to believe otherwise, no matter how loud they howl, this will never change. It is amazing to me that so many people of the liberal persuasion actually believe that the words "Separation of Church and state" actually appear in our constitution - in case your wondering, they do not. This is what it says: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." Only a liberal mind can take something so simple, pervert it and use it as a weapon to silence anybody who dares even mention GOD in a public place. Only a liberal mind can twist history (or what someone has given them as history) in order to contort it to mesh with their personal views. It doesn't establish a religion to say the word God in the pledge, nor doess it establish a religion to pray in a classroom or a courtroom or any other government funded building. Yet, to the liberal mind, this is contitutional heresy! Yet, surprise, surprise, many of the very founders of this nation prayed in, read their bibles in, invoked the name of God in and even attended church (on Sundays) in - the Senate chambers! This IS our rich American history and IT IS WORTH REPEATING! Mel Unruh

Comment on Keep God in the Pledge by: keithweber

Fri, 16 Sep 2005 15:16:17 +0000

DAN DAN DAN DAN DAN... tisk, tisk. Where were YOU the day they taught U.S. History in grade school? And WHERE were YOU the day they taught World History in high school? 1/ Our Founding Fathers were very concerned about sheltering the rights of minorities against the whims of the majority. Hence the composition of Congress. Hence the protection of States' Rights. Hence the division of church from state. 2/ Do you REALLY want a theocracy running our country? Do you want someone else telling your child what to believe? Do you really want a government committee composed of religious fanatics insinuating itself into YOUR breakfast nook and bedroom? LOOK AROUND! Can you name a theocratic state in this world that you'd actually, as an Western-bred man, be comfortable ceding your rights to? Look at the Middle East - excellent example of what happens when you mix religion with government. 3/ Shut up? Just don't say those words? Do you really think it's that simple, and that the children who are forced to live that way aren't scarred for life by that? How does a parent tell a child that he needs to hide his views at school, lest the bully-ing majority find out that he is a freak? Honestly, Dan - I took you for a person with a little more compassion than that. (Compassion? Christianity? Silly me - I always thought they were related! Consider me corrected. ;-) 4/ There is a silly assumption going on in the Religious Right right now - that because the brand of Christianity that will come out on top is amorphous (right now, at least) - that it will be each and every one of their own. Silly, silly, SILLY. No - if Christianity manages to commandeer this country - the vast majority of the denominations are going to find their government, schools and bedrooms run by a brand that is not theirs. Remember the pretty little story every kid learns about the Pilgrims? They were not the only Christians who fled Christian persecution to come to this country. It's a truly hair-raising tale, one we'd be wise not to replicate: http://www.millsgen.com/gen/hist/pilstor1.htm Don't make the mistake of assuming YOUR brand of religion will come out on top. That will be decided sometime AFTER you institutionalize religion as a government policy. That will be the endpoint of the struggle, which WILL almost undoubtedly resemble the bloody fracas of the French Revolution - after all, it will be a winner-take-all contest. And don't tell me this isn't the direction it would go. That is why those of us who did NOT ditch history class are SO opposed. "Slippery slope" is a favorite incantation of the Religious Right. But slippery slopes are slippery for everyone. It's the Pledge of Allegiance, not a supplication to God. Let's not inject our religious views into a patriotic pledge. How UN-Patriotic! How UN-American! "He who does not remember History is bound to repeat it!" Your Friend, Keith